Many industry analysts are predicting that Air America, the Liberal radio network, is in it’s death throws. Funny, how just a few days ago Bruce Morgen was here saying how great things were going there and how bright things were looking for Al Franken. Everywhere you look, liberalism is dying. Even at a time when Bush has his lowest poll numbers, people still reject the radical left and their idiocy. Panhandle broadcasting: Air America crumbling? Liberal radio network asking listeners for donations to help spread message Posted: September 27, 2005 By Joe Kovacs

South African police have used rubber bullets to disperse a crowd of demonstrators who were protesting about an outbreak of typhoid. The protestors in the town of Delmas, east of Johannesburg, were calling on the local council to resign. The outbreak in Delmas has already claimed at least four lives, while more than 500 have fallen ill. State radio said some members of the council had locked themselves inside the building. The police said they had been forced to open fire with rubber bullets in an effort to break up the demonstration outside. The reason for so many apparent typhoid-related illnesses is still being investigated, with tests being conducted on water supplies. Tony Leon, the leader of South Africa’s main opposition party – the Democratic Alliance – has gone to Delmas to assess the situation. His party has already called for an independent commission of inquiry, amid fears that the death toll from typhoid may be far higher than health officials have so far admitted. Another delegation – from the South African Council of Churches – is also visiting Delmas. Government critics say the typhoid outbreak is a further example of the government’s inability to improve basic services in some of the poorest areas of the country.

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Who gives a FUCK? Is this news group about amps or what?

> South African police have used rubber bullets to disperse a crowd of

demonstrators who were protesting about an outbreak of typhoid. > The protestors in the town of Delmas, east of Johannesburg, were calling

on the local council to resign. > The outbreak in Delmas has already claimed at least four lives, while more

than 500 have fallen ill. > State radio said some members of the council had locked themselves inside the building. > The police said they had been forced to open fire with rubber bullets in

an effort to break up the demonstration outside. > The reason for so many apparent typhoid-related illnesses is still being

investigated, with tests being conducted on water supplies. > Tony Leon, the leader of South Africa’s main opposition party – the

Democratic Alliance – has gone to Delmas to assess the > situation. > His party has already called for an independent commission of inquiry,

amid fears that the death toll from typhoid may be far > higher than health officials have so far admitted. > Another delegation – from the South African Council of Churches – is also visiting Delmas. > Government critics say the typhoid outbreak is a further example of the

government’s inability to improve basic services in some – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> of the poorest areas of the country.

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> Why Un PC writes: > Doubt he can answer you, since he doesn’t read alt.disasters.aviation. > Correct.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Doubt he can answer you, since he doesn’t read >> alt.disasters.aviation. >> That’s probably why he hasn’t replied to the hundreds of followups >> you re-directed to alt.disasters.aviation only so he couldn’t see >> what you posted to him. >He does, actualy, fjukwit. > Learn to spell.

Why? >Why don’t you read alt.disasters.aviation? The reason he isn’t >replying is not quite what you’re imagining. >Bertie > Nope, the reason is you are re-directing followups.  A typical tactic > of trolls and losers.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>> Doubt he can answer you, since he doesn’t read >>>> alt.disasters.aviation. >>>> That’s probably why he hasn’t replied to the hundreds of followups >>>> you re-directed to alt.disasters.aviation only so he couldn’t see >>>> what you posted to him. >>>He does, actualy, fjukwit. >> Learn to spell. >Why? >>>Why don’t you read alt.disasters.aviation? The reason he isn’t >>>replying is not quite what you’re imagining. >>>Bertie >> Nope, the reason is you are re-directing followups.  A typical tactic >> of trolls and losers. >Nope, it’s because he is reading it. >As wel you know. >Luser. >Bertie > Nope, he doesn’t read ADA and you know it, that’s why you keep > redirecting your followups there so it looks like you’re winning the > argument.

Yeh, right, noce try. And argument? Bwahwhhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwh! > He like almost everyone else probably knows ADA is full of pilot > school dropouts like you on drugs having circle jerks online every day > with your fat, middle-aged, alcoholic pilot wannabe buddies. > The last place where one would go for accurate aviation information.

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… > He like almost everyone else probably knows ADA is full of pilot > school dropouts like you on drugs having circle jerks online every day > with your fat, middle-aged, alcoholic pilot wannabe buddies. > The last place where one would go for accurate aviation information.

That makes you smarter than Mxs, but not by much. Limey.

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news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > … > He like almost everyone else probably knows ADA is full of pilot > school dropouts like you on drugs having circle jerks online every day > with your fat, middle-aged, alcoholic pilot wannabe buddies. > The last place where one would go for accurate aviation information. > That makes you smarter than Mxs, but not by much.

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> Doubt he can answer you, since he doesn’t read alt.disasters.aviation. > That’s probably why he hasn’t replied to the hundreds of followups you > re-directed to alt.disasters.aviation only so he couldn’t see what you > posted to him.

He does, actualy, fjukwit. Why don’t you read alt.disasters.aviation? The reason he isn’t replying is not quite what you’re imagining. Bertie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Newsgroups: >rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.film+labs,rec.phot >o.da rkroom,soc.culture.jewish >> Organization: None >> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Lines: 41 >> X-Trace: >> sv3- >o53r3aHR3E9W0CEw+wYColklrYZxJb5PXa+6RiE+gRtcmeMTaXmmhugbc6I7Vt6etCuOFH6 >86Ln >Hc0W!OVDYuNP7Q04F10snp4Koe+Ek43/9ouBzTwVhiFPqc//Ics9OgZcqWxxgzW/you4GrQ >== >> X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html >> X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL >> headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to >> process your complaint properly >> X-Postfilter: 1.1 >> Dallas D writes: >>  > If you mean the times I remember before "liberation" it’s like >>  > night >and >>  > day. We were living in a near utopian state in the 70’s and early >> 80’s, but >>  > it was all smoke and mirrors. >> It doesn’t sound like smoke and mirrors.  It just sounds like a >> better-behaved population.  In any case, it sounds like things >> evolved in exactly the way I expected them to.  South Africa went >> from a developed economy to a Third-World dump, exactly as I >> predicted. >>  > We did live a life totally seperate from the injustice >>  > and squalor of the townships. >> The obvious question here:  When this separation disappeared, why >> did the situation where you lived deteriorate, instead of it >> improving in the townships? >>  > This is why many white South Africans fell so deeply into >>  > the opiatic realm of the security we enjoyed back then. >> What was "opiatic" about it?  It sounds quite real to me. >>  > We knew nothing else. We we not permitted to travel to certain >>  > places, we were not permitted to own certain publications. >> Such as? >> I recall that South Africa has traditionally been extremely prudish. >>  > We never saw the Olympic games (except once, when Zola Budd >>  > ran for England against Mary Decker of the US), we never saw the >Football >>  > world cup, or the Rugby world cup. We were all alone in our >>  > little >> utopia. >> Why so much censorship? >> I suspect the censorship was unrelated to the generally high quality >> of life. >> — >> Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me >> directly.

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Why Un PC writes: > Doubt he can answer you, since he doesn’t read alt.disasters.aviation.

Correct. — Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

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http://www.jagonline.net/

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     Please take a moment to give us a few words about why we should click on your link.  Until then… Vaughn

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"tremendous"  = yawn "may constitiute" = chuckle "unheard of levels" = giggle

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>     Please take a moment to give us a few words about why we should click on >your link.  Until then…

Collapsing and re-expanding of permanent magnetic fields isn’t exciting enough for you?  C’mon, it’s based on stuff Tesla did!  8*)

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Not likely. But we will keep an eye on it. Steve Spence Dir., Green Trust http://www.green-trust.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > http://www.jagonline.net/

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Web pages. Videos. How about a unit FOR SALE? If I had something that was this great, there would be a "buy now" button on the page. Spec them and sell them or STFU.

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> http://www.jagonline.net/

The usual load of free energy crap Funny where it says "For more information, including video and technical data, visit website http://www.jagonline.net"  when you are already on that page !!!!

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> Web pages. Videos. How about a unit FOR SALE? > If I had something that was this great, there would be a "buy now" > button on the page. > Spec them and sell them or STFU.

This is strongly reminiscent of a case in the 80’s, when a man who invented a huge "free energy machine", carted it to the patent office, and demanded that they issue a patent. The patent office folks demanded to take the machine apart for examination. A standoff ensued. Eventually, when somebody took it apart, hundreds of pounds of batteries were found. It’s so close to that, it could be a resurrection by the same participants, timed to the latest energy crunch.

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[clipped some] > Funny where it says "For more information, including video and > technical data, visit website http://www.jagonline.net"  when you are > already on that page !!!!

…a perpetual linking machine perhaps…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Web pages. Videos. How about a unit FOR SALE? > If I had something that was this great, there would be a "buy now" > button on the page. > Spec them and sell them or STFU. >This is strongly reminiscent of a case in the 80’s, when a man who invented >a huge "free energy machine", carted it to the patent office, and demanded >that they issue a patent. The patent office folks demanded to take the >machine apart for examination. A standoff ensued. >Eventually, when somebody took it apart, hundreds of pounds of batteries >were found. >It’s so close to that, it could be a resurrection by the same participants, >timed to the latest energy crunch.

You are just so wrong!!! This one is full of squirels in a cage.. it’s powered by nuts!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Web pages. Videos. How about a unit FOR SALE? > If I had something that was this great, there would be a "buy now" > button on the page. > Spec them and sell them or STFU. >This is strongly reminiscent of a case in the 80’s, when a man who invented >a huge "free energy machine", carted it to the patent office, and demanded >that they issue a patent. The patent office folks demanded to take the >machine apart for examination. A standoff ensued. >Eventually, when somebody took it apart, hundreds of pounds of batteries >were found. >It’s so close to that, it could be a resurrection by the same participants, >timed to the latest energy crunch.

hmmm… second try at explaining how this device works… it is full of squirels in a cage… powered by nuts..

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Looks like a south african group called PERENDEV.  Same system with reputation of false claims and some lost money.

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Obviously not sufficiently fraudulent to get on the front pages of the worlds news Try a more flowery fraud and you may get somewhere YAWN

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I have one of those – thanks to Chris, actually – it’s a nice unit. Steve, eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Chris Berry sent me this because he can’t post from South Africa where he is >at the moment. Said that some of you guys would be into this: >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3…

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Got my eye on it.  I had one way back when, and I’m looking for an inexpensive something or other right now for my son’s rig. -Rankin

> Chris Berry sent me this because he can’t post from South Africa where he is > at the moment. Said that some of you guys would be into this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Sam W. > www.wiredjazz.com > this place they say is no man’s land. > and "terra nullius" is written in the sand, > so what, with all these spaces, > can’t we be independent and combine the races?

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Chris Berry sent me this because he can’t post from South Africa where he is at the moment. Said that some of you guys would be into this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10171&item=3… — Sam W. www.wiredjazz.com this place they say is no man’s land. and "terra nullius" is written in the sand, so what, with all these spaces, can’t we be independent and combine the races?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cat Stevens wins peace prize > ROME, Italy (AP) — The singer once known as Cat Stevens — branded by > the United States as a potential terrorist risk — has been awarded a > peace prize in Rome for his humanitarian work. > Mikhail Gorbachev presented Yusuf Islam with the "Man for Peace" award > at the opening of a meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates. > The former Soviet leader kissed the singer on the cheeks and praised > him for standing by his convictions despite personal hardships. > The singer last made headlines in September, when he turned up on > Washington’s no-fly list for having suspected ties to terrorists, a > claim he has called ludicrous. > The "Peace Train" singer, who largely gave up music after converting > to Islam in the late 1970s, mused about the strangeness of being > barred from one country while being honored in another. > "Perhaps it’s part of the irony that sometimes you have to go through > a test in order to achieve a prize," he told reporters. > "So maybe that’s a symbol. Today I’m receiving a prize for peace, > which is actually, I would say, a bit more descriptive of my ideas and > my aims in life." > The British musician was expelled from the United States in September > after authorities diverted his London-to-Washington flight to Maine to > remove him, saying he was suspected of ties to terrorism. > Islam said he was a victim of an "unjust and arbitrary system," and > that he has denounced terrorism. > He also pointed out that just a few months earlier, he had met with > officials of the White House’s Office of Faith-Based and Community > Initiatives to talk about philanthropy. > Gorbachev’s foundation and Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni’s office, which > presented the award, praised Islam for promoting peace and "for having > condemned terrorism." > The former Soviet leader alluded to the musician’s troubles. "Cat > Stevens’ life has not been simple," Gorbachev said. > "Every person who takes a critical stance to make the world a better > place … has a difficult life." > The musician is the founder of Small Kindness, a charity to raise > money for children and families suffering from poverty and war in the > Balkans and Middle East. > He has also donated money to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks > and to the fight against AIDS in South Africa. > Islam has largely shunned music in recent years, although he did > record a new version of his 1971 hit "Peace Train" last year for the > album "Hope," which raised money for Iraqi children. > The meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates, which ends Friday, is > organized every year in Rome by the Gorbachev Foundation. > Besides Gorbachev, other Nobel winners present included Lech Walesa, > the founder of Poland’s Solidarity democracy movement; Rigoberta > Menchu Tum, who fought government oppression in Guatemala; and former > South Korean President Kim Dae-jung. > Islam said he was honored to be attending — "not as a rock ‘n’ > roller, but as someone who is sharing a platform with these noble > examples." > Other recipients of the "Man for Peace" award include Italian > actor-director Roberto Benigni, who won in 2002. Benigni directed the > Oscar-winning "Life is Beautiful."

Cat is sexy!

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> Cat Stevens wins peace prize > ROME, Italy (AP) — The singer once known as Cat Stevens — branded by > the United States as a potential terrorist risk — has been awarded a > peace prize in Rome for his humanitarian work. > Mikhail Gorbachev presented Yusuf Islam with the "Man for Peace" award > at the opening of a meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates. > The former Soviet leader kissed the singer on the cheeks and praised > him for standing by his convictions despite personal hardships.

Well, the former Soviet Union which Mikhail Gorbachev was president of did make peace through war by occuping other countries. I guess Cat would fall in that Muslim catagory since it seems now Muslims want to continue their conquest they started back in the 600s – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The singer last made headlines in September, when he turned up on > Washington’s no-fly list for having suspected ties to terrorists, a > claim he has called ludicrous. > The "Peace Train" singer, who largely gave up music after converting > to Islam in the late 1970s, mused about the strangeness of being > barred from one country while being honored in another. > "Perhaps it’s part of the irony that sometimes you have to go through > a test in order to achieve a prize," he told reporters. > "So maybe that’s a symbol. Today I’m receiving a prize for peace, > which is actually, I would say, a bit more descriptive of my ideas and > my aims in life." > The British musician was expelled from the United States in September > after authorities diverted his London-to-Washington flight to Maine to > remove him, saying he was suspected of ties to terrorism. > Islam said he was a victim of an "unjust and arbitrary system," and > that he has denounced terrorism. > He also pointed out that just a few months earlier, he had met with > officials of the White House’s Office of Faith-Based and Community > Initiatives to talk about philanthropy. > Gorbachev’s foundation and Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni’s office, which > presented the award, praised Islam for promoting peace and "for having > condemned terrorism." > The former Soviet leader alluded to the musician’s troubles. "Cat > Stevens’ life has not been simple," Gorbachev said. > "Every person who takes a critical stance to make the world a better > place … has a difficult life." > The musician is the founder of Small Kindness, a charity to raise > money for children and families suffering from poverty and war in the > Balkans and Middle East. > He has also donated money to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks > and to the fight against AIDS in South Africa. > Islam has largely shunned music in recent years, although he did > record a new version of his 1971 hit "Peace Train" last year for the > album "Hope," which raised money for Iraqi children. > The meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates, which ends Friday, is > organized every year in Rome by the Gorbachev Foundation. > Besides Gorbachev, other Nobel winners present included Lech Walesa, > the founder of Poland’s Solidarity democracy movement; Rigoberta > Menchu Tum, who fought government oppression in Guatemala; and former > South Korean President Kim Dae-jung. > Islam said he was honored to be attending — "not as a rock ‘n’ > roller, but as someone who is sharing a platform with these noble > examples." > Other recipients of the "Man for Peace" award include Italian > actor-director Roberto Benigni, who won in 2002. Benigni directed the > Oscar-winning "Life is Beautiful."

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And this after he supported the fatwah on Salman Rushdie and said quite clearly that the punishment for saying anything against his God was death.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Gorbachev’s foundation and Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni’s office, which > presented the award, praised Islam for promoting peace and "for having > condemned terrorism." > Condemn terrorism and win a prize eh? What a sad commentary > on contemporary Islam (the religion, not the crooner). I see no > line forming > Cat seems unaware that by accepting this award, he is actually > reinforcing the stereotype that Muslim=Terrorist. Poor fellow.

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> And this after he supported the fatwah on Salman Rushdie and said > quite clearly that the punishment for saying anything against his God > was death.

Sheeh, they’ll be giving it to Rove next. Bertie

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Cat Stevens wins peace prize ROME, Italy (AP) — The singer once known as Cat Stevens — branded by the United States as a potential terrorist risk — has been awarded a peace prize in Rome for his humanitarian work. Mikhail Gorbachev presented Yusuf Islam with the "Man for Peace" award at the opening of a meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates. The former Soviet leader kissed the singer on the cheeks and praised him for standing by his convictions despite personal hardships. The singer last made headlines in September, when he turned up on Washington’s no-fly list for having suspected ties to terrorists, a claim he has called ludicrous. The "Peace Train" singer, who largely gave up music after converting to Islam in the late 1970s, mused about the strangeness of being barred from one country while being honored in another. "Perhaps it’s part of the irony that sometimes you have to go through a test in order to achieve a prize," he told reporters. "So maybe that’s a symbol. Today I’m receiving a prize for peace, which is actually, I would say, a bit more descriptive of my ideas and my aims in life." The British musician was expelled from the United States in September after authorities diverted his London-to-Washington flight to Maine to remove him, saying he was suspected of ties to terrorism. Islam said he was a victim of an "unjust and arbitrary system," and that he has denounced terrorism. He also pointed out that just a few months earlier, he had met with officials of the White House’s Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to talk about philanthropy. Gorbachev’s foundation and Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni’s office, which presented the award, praised Islam for promoting peace and "for having condemned terrorism." The former Soviet leader alluded to the musician’s troubles. "Cat Stevens’ life has not been simple," Gorbachev said. "Every person who takes a critical stance to make the world a better place … has a difficult life." The musician is the founder of Small Kindness, a charity to raise money for children and families suffering from poverty and war in the Balkans and Middle East. He has also donated money to victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and to the fight against AIDS in South Africa. Islam has largely shunned music in recent years, although he did record a new version of his 1971 hit "Peace Train" last year for the album "Hope," which raised money for Iraqi children. The meeting of Nobel Peace Prize laureates, which ends Friday, is organized every year in Rome by the Gorbachev Foundation. Besides Gorbachev, other Nobel winners present included Lech Walesa, the founder of Poland’s Solidarity democracy movement; Rigoberta Menchu Tum, who fought government oppression in Guatemala; and former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung. Islam said he was honored to be attending — "not as a rock ‘n’ roller, but as someone who is sharing a platform with these noble examples." Other recipients of the "Man for Peace" award include Italian actor-director Roberto Benigni, who won in 2002. Benigni directed the Oscar-winning "Life is Beautiful."

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> Gorbachev’s foundation and Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni’s office, which > presented the award, praised Islam for promoting peace and "for having > condemned terrorism."

Condemn terrorism and win a prize eh? What a sad commentary on contemporary Islam (the religion, not the crooner). I see no line forming Cat seems unaware that by accepting this award, he is actually reinforcing the stereotype that Muslim=Terrorist. Poor fellow.

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Did anyone here ever cruise on the Oceanos? NGC has been repeating the hour long program on her alot recently. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who sailed her before her sinking. For those who are not already aware, The Oceanos sank in 1991 off the coast of South Africa. Her master and most of her crew abandoned the ship in severe sea conditions and left the passengers (who were eventually all rescued) after a rouge wave caused fatal weld openings of a through-hull known as a sea chest which supplied the raw water cooling for the generators. On the accident cruise, the crew had been trying to effect repairs to the black water holding tank vent that terminates at the funnel. By removing a small section of the vent plumbing from a bulkhead between the holding tank area and the machine room (where the gensets are located), they left a large enough opening to flood the vessel to the point of foundering when the sea chest under the machine room let go. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Did anyone here ever cruise on the Oceanos? -Snip-

I find it amazing that not a single person here (at least nobody will come forward) sailed the Oceanos…. I was really looking forward to asking some questions about this ship. I hate to RE to myself….but I am so amazed that I just cannot believe this. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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> I find it amazing that not a single person here (at least nobody will come > forward) sailed the Oceanos…. I was really looking forward to asking some > questions about this ship. I hate to RE to myself….but I am so amazed that I > just cannot believe this.

Shit happens. Deal with it. Or try Google.

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> I did a quick Google search and couldn’t come up with any >kind of a review

Me neither >Why is it so hard to believe?

Guess it’s not…I was just being wishful. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Or try Google.

I did….no pax reviews as Lee said. > Deal with it.

Always. Just to let you know that I was so interested in this ship because of the way the master and crew acted. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Search the forums at Cruisetalk

Very cool and good thanks cap. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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Did anyone here ever cruise on the Oceanos? NGC has been repeating the hour long program on her alot recently. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who sailed her before her sinking. For those who are not already aware, The Oceanos sank in 1991 off the coast of South Africa. Her master and most of her crew abandoned the ship in severe sea conditions and left the passengers (who were eventually all rescued) after a rouge wave caused fatal weld openings of a through-hull known as a sea chest which supplied the raw water cooling for the generators. On the accident cruise, the crew had been trying to effect repairs to the black water holding tank vent that terminates at the funnel. By removing a small section of the vent plumbing from a bulkhead between the holding tank area and the machine room (where the gensets are located), they left a large enough opening to flood the vessel to the point of foundering when the sea chest under the machine room let go. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Did anyone here ever cruise on the Oceanos? -Snip-

I find it amazing that not a single person here (at least nobody will come forward) sailed the Oceanos…. I was really looking forward to asking some questions about this ship. I hate to RE to myself….but I am so amazed that I just cannot believe this. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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> I find it amazing that not a single person here (at least nobody will come > forward) sailed the Oceanos…. I was really looking forward to asking some > questions about this ship. I hate to RE to myself….but I am so amazed that I > just cannot believe this.

Shit happens. Deal with it. Or try Google.

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> I did a quick Google search and couldn’t come up with any >kind of a review

Me neither >Why is it so hard to believe?

Guess it’s not…I was just being wishful. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Or try Google.

I did….no pax reviews as Lee said. > Deal with it.

Always. Just to let you know that I was so interested in this ship because of the way the master and crew acted. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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>Search the forums at Cruisetalk

Very cool and good thanks cap. -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

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> Look at the pair of twats

That’s no way to speak of your sisters. —

> Thanks man… > cb

Hey cb.. I’m back from SA as well (got back sundag evening). It was great to be back home… later Jake

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I’m back in town for a short while… South Africa was really good > fun… >>Haven’t played bass in 4 weeks and I sure did miss it but I did keep >>busy…. >>I’ll have to weed through the photos now…. >>Did ya miss me? >>cb >Hey Chris! >It’s really been a long time, hope you had a great time in SA! > Thanks man…  where are you these days? last I heard, you were waiting for > the snow to melt to get back here…. waiting for the snow to fall this > time? > cb

Well, I’m still in Budapest, I’ve been quite busy actually, been back home (in Brazil) after a 2 years gap and just came back from working in Slovenia, didn’t set foot in Cologne for a long time now (on the 17th will be 1 year), but maybe next month I will go for some cooking classes. I put some ads in the music stores here looking for a band or people to jam, but nothing came out of it until now… Chris

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I’m back in town for a short while… South Africa was really good fun… Haven’t played bass in 4 weeks and I sure did miss it but I did keep busy…. I’ll have to weed through the photos now…. Did ya miss me? cb — Some people have something to say… others have to say something!

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Who are you, again ? Welcome Back ! — Henry! — "Pleasure in a thing of beauty is the essence of a good life." Zino Davidoff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m back in town for a short while… South Africa was really good fun… > Haven’t played bass in 4 weeks and I sure did miss it but I did keep > busy…. > I’ll have to weed through the photos now…. > Did ya miss me? > cb > — > Some people have something to say… others have to say something!

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Thanks man… cb — Some people have something to say… others have to say something!

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> I’m back in town for a short while… South Africa was really good fun… > Haven’t played bass in 4 weeks and I sure did miss it but I did keep > busy…. > I’ll have to weed through the photos now…. > Did ya miss me? > cb

Hey Chris! It’s really been a long time, hope you had a great time in SA! Welcome back! Chris

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> I’m back in town for a short while… South Africa was really good fun… > Haven’t played bass in 4 weeks and I sure did miss it but I did keep > busy…. > I’ll have to weed through the photos now…. > Did ya miss me? > cb > Hey Chris! > It’s really been a long time, hope you had a great time in SA!

Thanks man…  where are you these days? last I heard, you were waiting for the snow to melt to get back here…. waiting for the snow to fall this time? cb

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Hi, How many here are like me who has kid(s) at draft age. Good thing i did not settle down in States even if I could 10 times. Wanna take chance with Dubya on draft coming back.

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>Hi, >How many here are like me who has kid(s) at draft age. >Good thing i did not settle down in States even if I could >10 times. Wanna take chance with Dubya on draft coming back.

Why don’t you stay out of American politics since it’s very apparent you don’t have a clue what’s going on down here.  It’s the Dumber’n'craps that are pushing for the draft, and have introduced bills to do so.  It *is* a good thing you didn’t settle down here, since it would definitely lower the average IQ, especially when you come up with gems like this. http://www.hillnews.com/news/100703/draft.aspx http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/press/2003108C06.html http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/pr_draft.shtml     Aside from that, Congress is the only body in our government that can propose to reinstate the draft … the President can’t.  You really should study a subject before you insert your entire foot in your mouth like that. Even if Congress passed that bill, it’s very doubtful that Bush wouldn’t sign it.